Building from Impulse with CRUELS


 I sit down with my good friend producer/artist Giovanni Giusti (CRUELS, The Limousines) and we talk creativity, channeling grief, arguing with strangers online, cultivating ignorance for mental health, dangerous plants, AI, automation, analog synths and making music.

This episode would serve as the blueprint for the interviews in season two. I'm not sure why I was always so averse to doing long-form interviews. Part of me thinks I just hadn't learned to how to listen yet nor had I cultivated the curiosity in others, but viewing it through the lens of learning really transformed this for me, not just this episode but the entire podcast. It's also transformed the way that I interact with people in my personal life.

My goal is to make each guest feel comfortable, so I don't do intros, making them feeling like "Okay, it's time to dance monkey." Instead we just start chatting and later when I edit, I look for the right place to start the episode. This feel more natural.

At first, when listening to this episode was bothered by how much I talked at the beginning, which of course just the insecurity of doing something new. In reality, this is a prefect example of why I call them chats and not interviews. It a two-way conversation. I'm not just the questions feed. I need to interact. I feel like there are just time when you have to share first, where you have to make yourself vulnerable before asking the guest to share something. It's good manners.

I don't do any prep for these chats. It keeps me on edge and allows me to be as nervous as a guest might be. It also means that all my discoveries in the episode happen in real time. Like, what I refer to as the gold int his episode, the story of the cactus! I was hearing it for the first time and I was just as wrapped up in Gio's story-telling as the audience.

It was from there that I really began to understand the adventure of having guest on for longer chats: finding out where we end up. From insights into his creative process to the more personal details of his father's death, Gio really opened himself up.


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